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Submitted by
hudi82
a ExpertDate Reviewed: January 23, 2009
Strengths: - very good lenses
- can use the 30mm Arsat
- relatively cheap - but there are other alternatives
- looks like Hasselblad
- interchangable everything
Weaknesses: - not so cheap
- questionable reliability (although I never had a problem yet)
- no DOF lever
- no MLU (newer ones have)
- focal plane shutter => slow flash sync - 1/30s
- possible light leaksBottom Line: This is a very nice camera that gets wow when walking i a crowd. There are quite a few nice surprises and some expected shortcomes. I bought this 1 year ago on ebay for 250$ with the spot TTL prism and 1 back. I soon got another back and the waist level finder. Now I rarely use my Kiev 60.
When I got my first back, there was a light leak from where the insert goes in because the hard paper that seals it had broken off and I repaired this cheaply (you can actually DIY). The new back had no problems at all.
The inside of the camera was already flocked and the cloth shutter ran smoothly, I hadn't notice any inconsistancies as I did on my Kiev 60.
I have all the Carl Zeiss lenses with MC (I even got the 65mm in silver, though its in a pretty bad shape). However there are problems when mounting the 180mm and 300mm Sonnars. The problem is that the locking ring is too tall and the Sonnars sit on top of it and can't be fully inserted, the solutions are:
- machine down the locking ring by ~1mm - not a easy task
- machine the locking ring to increase the diameter - not easy too
- machine down the Sonnars plate by ~1mm - easier
I didn't do anything yet and I just don't use those 2 lenses.
Also the DOF preview lever on 50mm & 65mm Flektogon and 80mm Biometar has to be taken off because it gets caught in the locking ring - I had it done free by my service man - now I don't have DOF :-(
The CZJ lenses are really sweet, the quality is awesome and optically are very good, I used them on Nikon D200 and the results are:
- 30mm Arsat - good performer, contrast and color is medium, but for 200$ its worth every penny.
- 50mm Flektogon - SHAAAAAAARP at any aperture, color is beautiful
- 65mm Flektogon - good performer (mine was pretty badly scratched, should be quite good if in good condition)
- 80mm Biometar - so so, resolution was OK but not amazing (mine has a lot of small dust inside - probably the cause)
- 120mm Biometar - soft wide open, quite good stepped down (not awesome but does hold a good value)
- 180mm Sonnar - VERY good performer, softer wide open, brilliant color.
- 300mm Sonnar - Very good - similar to the 180, maybe a bit softer
The metering prism is too big and heavy, I never use it unless its on a tripod. I can get the same result using the waist level finder which is brighter and much much lighter. DONT buy the new WLF cause the glass inside is of the wrong diopter and focuses 1cm too short, so you WILL get dizzy by looking at it. I also got the 4x magnifier - DONT buy it - there is no way you can see the entire frame cause it vingettes and the field of view is too small unless you're farsighted and can focus that thing out. The camera is pretty badly machined so its hard to pull out the viewers - I put some grease on the rail.
The back is quite nice and easy in loading, I'm going to get a 4.5x6 soon to check that out. Do get the NT version, its well made and have a place to put the dark slides.
So in the end, its a nice system with many accesories and very nice lenses. However its not that cheap compared to used Bronicas and Mamiyas and the lenses are of similar prices too. Its a logical thing if you have a Kiev 60, not so obvious if youre new. I got this cause I had 2 Kiev 60s when the prices for Bronica and Mamiya were still high and I slowly got all my CZJ lenses. Now its just a waste to change to a new system since I got pretty much everything.
Duration Product Used: 6-10 years
Similar Products Used: Kiev 60
Type of photography: People
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Submitted by
SJ Park
a ExpertDate Reviewed: October 27, 2006
Strengths: -Very good ratio of price/performance
-Pefectly works with my CZJ lenses biometar 80mm/2.8, Flektogon 50mm/4,Sonnar 180mm/2.8, most of al,l well working to make the aperture small size F:32,f:22,f:16 etc.
-NT back is almost in new way to loading flim and getting out the fim from the back, dark slide folder on back (perfect upgrade)
-Simple MLU function similar to ARAXFOTO.COM
-New SPOT/TTL finder's accuracy
-Exactly woking lens mount lever on body
Weaknesses: - No 220 NT film back
- Slow flash sync speed 1/30" same to Pentax 67(I under stand it is middle format focal plane shutter not lens shutter.)
-Impossible to use preview lever for depth of field on the lens.After mounting this lever be hidden to the 88CM body.
Bottom Line: My Kiev 88cm is with MLU function that is very easy to be worked and simple.
I've heard so much reviews for 88cm before I buy Kiev 88cm.
The main problems that I worried about were shutter stucking and aperture preset lever working exactly to make minimun size of aperture in CZJ lens, film back's frame overlap and light leakage.
The result of my usage(Very well upgraded to almost perfect grade)
1. No shutter problem.very smoothly cocked and fired. Continuous 200 time firing of shutter for test,never stucked any time.shutter seepd exactness is very good.
2.All of my CZJ lenses and Russian lenses are mounted perfectly and aperture control at firing moment is exact(some of Kiev 60 does not make the lens aperture under F8,F11,F16,F22) No problem...I decide to forget all the review that was decribed some of CZJ lenses could not be mounted to 88CM(It maybe right to Old 88cm body but 88cm in these days can accept CZJ 80/2.8, 50/4, 180/2.8 lenses perfectly.
3.Frame overlaps not occur, film counter works exactly. I am very impressed really New Type film back.But there is no NT back for 220, a little light leakge at the dark slide entrance side.Light leakage is very very easily fixed for myself and Kievusa told me how to fix it to unscrew 12 screws and tape it and screw again. That is all and very very easy.
Very stable camera more than I expected. Happy to get 88CM for using CJZ lenses.
Duration Product Used: 6-10 years
Price Paid:
$699.00
Purchased At: kievusa
Similar Products Used: Hassel 500CM, Mamiya RB,RZ, 645, C330, Pentax 67,Fuji 645,
Type of photography: Outdoor
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Submitted by
a_d_fernandez
a IntermediateDate Reviewed: February 20, 2004
Strengths: See above.Weaknesses: Focusing screen is a bit dark in low-light
conditions when using the waist-level
finder.Bottom Line: An excellent camera. This camera worked perfectly right out of the box.
I've had over ten rolls through this camera and all have come out flawlessly.
No frame spacing issues, no light leaks, no shutter banding, the meter is excellent,
operation is very smooth, lens is very sharp. I've enlarged up to 15.5x15.5
inches using Delta 400 and Agfa Optima 200 on Agfa 310 glossy and Fuji
Crystal Archive papers, respectively, and the results have been absolutely gorgeous.
I really can't complain about this camera
Duration Product Used: 4 years
Price Paid:
$500.00
Purchased At: www.kievcamera.com
Similar Products Used: Hasselblad 501.
Type of photography: Fine Art
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Submitted by
Writertom
a ProfessionalDate Reviewed: January 21, 2004
Strengths: Price
Customer Service
Wonderful way of getting into serious medium format photography.Weaknesses: NoneBottom Line: I bought this camera direct from Kiev Camera because I live in Atlanta. The camera operates flawlessly. The spot metered prism is accurate, the backs are light leak free, the waistlever is snug, the lenses are accurate, and the pictures produced are wonderful.
Duration Product Used: 21+ years
Price Paid:
$500.00
Purchased At: Kiev Camera
Similar Products Used: Bronica ETRSi
Yashica Mat TL
Seagull 107A
Type of photography: People
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Submitted by
Maurice Cloutier
a IntermediateDate Reviewed: November 4, 2003
Strengths: PriceWeaknesses: NoneBottom Line: Great camera have taken many of rolls with great results.
Duration Product Used: 6-10 years
Price Paid:
$390.00
Purchased At: eBay
Similar Products Used: Yashica twin lens 120
Graflexs 4X5
Type of photography: Sports
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